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Dragons! They're big, they're scaly, they're legendary! But how deep does the wyrmhole go?
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Just Ice
Just Ice Il y a heure
The Dragon Fyrian from “the girl who drank the moon” is tiny until the last minute. We know he’s supposed to be huge, Fyrian himself thinks he’s huge. He can’t become a large until he leaves the mountain his mother died. He shrinks when he comes close to the volcano. He shrinks before his grief, I think. Anyways, read the book, it’s awesome.
Seetiyan
Seetiyan Il y a 2 heures
:19 Well the Greek etymology of the word doesn't matter and doesn't imply localization to me, cause not all words for dragon are derived from Greek. in the first place. 5:03 All these watery serpents - You see, people? Gyarados really IS a dragon, I've been saying this for years. 9:09 "The girl is dating the dragon ." Hmm, source? It's for, uh . . . research. Yeah.
Sinead Thomas
Sinead Thomas Il y a 4 heures
Okay, so the dragon from Aurora, which I won’t name for plot is: Apocalyptically enormous, Divine-ish, And Cursed. With a bit of shapeshifting thrown in for good measure
Tori .H
Tori .H Il y a 7 heures
I love dragon riders of pern. I love the bonds the riders create with their dragons. The fact that they can communicate through a mind link is so interesting to me too
B. Davis
B. Davis Il y a 7 heures
Great, now I'm thinking of spider dragons.
Lonewolf 101
Lonewolf 101 Il y a 12 heures
HEY RED! I KNOW U PROBABLY WONT SEE THIS BUT NETFLIX HAS A SHOW CALLED THE NEW LEGENDS OF MONKEY! ITS BASED ON JOURNEY TO THE WEST!!!!! U SHOULD WATCH IT!!! IM A HALF WAY INTO SEASON ONE AND ITS PRETTY GOOD!!!!!!!! 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
VikingFyre
VikingFyre Il y a 19 heures
“Riding a Dragon because fuck yeah!” Yep, that’s why I love the lesser known Drakan games. Because you can fly around on a Fuck You Dragon lol
Cynthia MI
Cynthia MI Il y a 20 heures
I know this might not be seen, but here it goes. Thank you for including Armenian mythology! Usually my culture's history does go unnoticed in the international stage, so coming across such well researched videos and seeing my culture represented is amazing! Thank you again, you have gained a new subscriber. I can't wait to check out your other videos. 😊
The Nature Soldier
The Nature Soldier Il y a jour
What about dragons? Dragons have feelings too people, we can’t forget the dragons!
dirty pure
dirty pure Il y a jour
Symbols of an Alien Sky... documentary... details the real source of world mythologies. Nothing to do with aliens btw. I believe the reason we don't need a concrete definition of what a dragon "is" is because we have a collective traumatic memory of where the idea comes from (crazy stuff that happened in the sky thousands of years ago, perhaps at the end of the last ice age). Anyone interested in this should check out the documentary I referenced above. Peace.
Samantha Brown
Samantha Brown Il y a jour
The girl is dating the dragon 😂 shout out to you FFXIV
Naoto-Icarus The Antagonists
Thank you kindly.
Caleb Martin
Caleb Martin Il y a jour
One idea I came up with for a novel was that, since dragons have an incubation period of many thousand years, they have very maleable biology so they can adapt to the world around them. So after hatching, a dragon might adapt to be more serpentine and feathery or more a four legged, flying, hyper-intelligent alpha predator
Joseph Buckley
Joseph Buckley Il y a jour
I wonder if the storm god vs dragon motif comes from the general connection between dragons(snakeish) and water and the storm gods and the sky
Lusintag Mayrapetyan
Red mentions armenian deity Me in tears: thanks
Ameera Coe
Ameera Coe Il y a jour
when red got to the dragon hoards, my mind instantly went to my little pony, like that one episode where spike found a dragon cave and ate all the dragons gems, any other my little pony fans? no... just me....cool...
Justin Virola
Justin Virola Il y a jour
What manga is that
cat o
cat o Il y a jour
“dragons aren’t localized to one region or mythos” yeah because they were REAL. they’re extinct now but they definitely existed /j
Rene Ochoa
Rene Ochoa Il y a jour
I'd absolutely love a Troupe Talk on Creation Myths both on irl beliefs and the various ones in books/novels, ... just an idea 🤷‍♂️
TYellowFinch
TYellowFinch Il y a jour
Literally I started this thinking “she’s not gonna mention the Armenian dragon slayer”. I was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for including us even if it was just briefly.
Hovek the artist formerly known as OXOTNHK
Everyone read the library dragon
Jelsa Fan
Jelsa Fan Il y a jour
Can we please get a Trope Talk about Foreshadowing or The Heart :)
David Holloway
David Holloway Il y a 2 jours
Ancalagon is actually mentioned as an example! FINALLY! I swear, does NOBODY read the Silmarillion?
Max Schreck
Max Schreck Il y a 2 jours
Darth Vader is a dragon!
Emily van der Hidde
Emily van der Hidde Il y a 2 jours
dragons are the dogs of fantasy creatures
Emily van der Hidde
@kunik61 lol
kunik61
kunik61 Il y a jour
NOPE
Lisa Tapp
Lisa Tapp Il y a 2 jours
Dragon: exists Storm God: Wait no
kunik61
kunik61 Il y a jour
Again dragonslaying jokes!?
Sept77
Sept77 Il y a 2 jours
My first thought for "named after a dragon" was Kazuma Kiryu, the Dragon of Dojima, protagonist of the Yakuza series of games. He lives in a setting where dragons aren't even real, and he still kicks almost as much ass as the DoomSlayer.
EJL YT
EJL YT Il y a 2 jours
Youve heard of all these, but have you heard of neko dragons? yeah on a diffent account the main character is a dragon in a werewold mefwa neko way.... Dont ask. I did it because its a symbol of the invisible sexualities. r/invisiforce! :)
Noah Weathers
Noah Weathers Il y a 2 jours
I’m told there was a Persian comet dragon named Jawzahr who was so enormous they believed eclipses were caused by him eating the moon, which he couldn’t digest because he got his head cut off, but this didn’t kill him since it was punishment for having already drank a potion of immortality. Looks like the gods did not learn from the Sun Wukong incident.
Zach
Zach Il y a 2 jours
I like monster Hunters way where "dragon" means "exceptionally dangerous" a lightning unicorn with a lion face counts as a dragon because it's just that dangerous
Ren
Ren Il y a 2 jours
Jesus man slow down i can't keep up with you
Gorinich Serpant
Gorinich Serpant Il y a 2 jours
I like to believe that tiny cute dragons aren't not powerful, but that they aren't powerful... yet.
Dayala Singh
Dayala Singh Il y a 3 jours
Speaking of Dragon Riders I love the Wyvern Riders of fire emblem. And Claude is probably my favourite of them.
Ana Colmán
Ana Colmán Il y a 3 jours
this EXPULSES Red's asexual vibes, period.
Daniel Huelsman
Daniel Huelsman Il y a 3 jours
Does the stuff you said in the Kaiju video apply?
Rhiannon Meier
Rhiannon Meier Il y a 3 jours
I have a theory that dragons are actually a form of dinosaur that had survived and evolved (wings like a pterodactyl, face, and teeth and scales of every dragon ever). Birds were originally dinosaurs, so what's to keep dragons from being real at some point in time? It would explain the fact that dragons are all over the place. Also, the reason they're extinct: Humans. (i.e. "nights in shining armor") I love this theory and would be happy to discuss it more
Rafael Alejandro Sanchez
Yay for Anne McCaffrey shoutout!
Robert Reese
Robert Reese Il y a 3 jours
Quetzalcoatl is based on a bird that is native to the region. Art imitating life kind of thing
andrew reynolds
andrew reynolds Il y a 3 jours
As I recall the "dragon sickness" that affected Thorin was more so a movie thing. In the books his decline was more directly linked to his grandfather, Thror, and what caused his downfall: one of the seven dwarven rings of power, which was linked to (and to some extent corrupted by) Sauron's One Ring. This was exacerbated by Thorin's preexisting character flaws, which are discussed in a passage in Tolkien's Unfinished Tales. The movies did some... strange things with the story of The Hobbit.
Arkham's Yellow Queen
Arkham's Yellow Queen Il y a 3 jours
For a fun subversion of hoard and damsel in distress? Read the Dragon Slippers trilogy! I loved 'em as a kid.
kunik61
kunik61 Il y a 2 jours
I dislike those 2 tropes.
Your High Friend
Your High Friend Il y a 3 jours
Red-sama, you should create a modern classics summarised : starship troopers video as soon as thou canst. ^w^
SuperStar 64
SuperStar 64 Il y a 3 jours
You forgot about the steroid abuser with lock jaw that ghost and goblins calls a unicorn
Just Another Mike
Just Another Mike Il y a 3 jours
I didn't see spyro. Darn.
jozef kiska
jozef kiska Il y a 3 jours
Blarogs also rode dragons... because reasons
Chase Lundgren
Chase Lundgren Il y a 3 jours
Does anyone else notice Smaug is a wyvern?
Sir Jaojao
Sir Jaojao Il y a 2 jours
In the film that is, in Tolkien's illustration of him he very clearly has four legs. A lot of dragons in films nowadays are technically wyverns, as that is more anatomically accurate
Chase Lundgren
Chase Lundgren Il y a 3 jours
@kunik61 fair enough
kunik61
kunik61 Il y a 3 jours
1. I bet not much of people remember old Hobbit adaption where he looks like a giant cat. 2. Who ever cares?
Ethan Tokko
Ethan Tokko Il y a 3 jours
The fact that basically every human culture had stories about dragons suggests that dragons actually did exist back then, and for some reason they are hiding from humans since the modern era. Sounds like a great urban fantasy story.
Joshua Scotti
Joshua Scotti Il y a 3 jours
Just wondering - by that extent gods that control each and every part of the world, demonic beings, the possibility of absolute Armageddon, secondary and parallel worlds, and wizards also exist?
Ben Martin
Ben Martin Il y a 3 jours
Yu-Gi-Oh 5DS did Dee and the title is dragons even though their ends up being 6 at the end of the show
Mavrick Counts
Mavrick Counts Il y a 3 jours
I once read somewhere there was a theory that the reason dragons were universal is cause every now and then in any part of the world someone would dig up a dinosaur head and recognize it as serpent like, giant, and extinct. That's also why there's such a variety cause like, they might find four legs, they might find two, they might find none! And in the same boat they might find three skulls close and think it the same creature. Just a thought.
Cynthia Moraes
Cynthia Moraes Il y a 4 jours
And don't forget they can also have dog face: Falkor.
balrogdahomie
balrogdahomie Il y a 4 jours
That’s an interesting perspective on it, that dragon is a grouping rather than a single “””species””” of creature. The term is more like “Undead” than “Vampire”; a statement of qualities with a lot of variation within Not to say vampires don’t have their variation but- you get what I’m trying to say
Isaac Priest
Isaac Priest Il y a 4 jours
So you're just gonna drop Anne McCaffrey into the conversation without mentioning all the mad stuff the dragons of Pern can do? They're telepathic, telekinetic, and can TELEPORT THROUGH SPACE AND TIME!
Weik-293
Weik-293 Il y a 4 jours
I have heard of something called the Dragonrider problem: wherein the Dragon becomes nothing more than an oversized pet/dog/horse to the rider or just a tool
kunik61
kunik61 Il y a 3 jours
It happens in GoT only.
Weik-293
Weik-293 Il y a 4 jours
Read A Thing of Vikings, good input on this topic
Pyre
Pyre Il y a 4 jours
Hm. Think I may have been a bit too cross the first time I posted this. So. @5:23 and @12:45 THANK YOU. Watching that asinine, baseless and pedantic geek line of "It's only a dragon if it has four legs and wings" infect the internet the last few years has been maddening. There is no 'actual' or 'official' definition. There never has been, and attempts to enforce one are fantastic examples of the worst of geek culture.
maggintons
maggintons Il y a 4 jours
Favourite dragon?... Kiryu Kazuma obviously.
Nekorina
Nekorina Il y a 4 jours
Could you do a video on fairies, or perhaps on demons?? I think videos like those would be very interesting!!
Nova Bovine
Nova Bovine Il y a 4 jours
I love learning and listening to things to keep a timeline for myself because of my narcolepsy. I haven't heard anyone talk about pern in so long i nearly squeed. My autistic son told me to stop sqweeking and my mother rushed out to see if something had happened... lol.. oops.
Jason Santos
Jason Santos Il y a 4 jours
Yeah agriculture got their own version of the Dragon throughout their Century today popular culture still loves dragons
Elder Moose
Elder Moose Il y a 4 jours
I was wondering when the avatar reference would be made
Carla Ferraccini
Carla Ferraccini Il y a 4 jours
The ultimate human fears, hun? So... spider leged manticore with wings, the additional ability to shot strong spider tread, shot poisonous spikes from its spiky tail and additional fire breathing? Did I forget anything? Maybe also able to camouflage so it can show up next to you out of the blue?
kunik61
kunik61 Il y a 3 jours
Again arachnophobe propaganda??? (because it has nothing to do with video and involves forcing people to believe that liking spiders is a "mental illness")
The Tertinator
The Tertinator Il y a 4 jours
Cool, sooooo, spider-dragons then?
KittyFaerie
KittyFaerie Il y a 4 jours
Wings on a unicorn is a pegacorn, because unicorn + pegasus :)
Finnian Blood
Finnian Blood Il y a 4 jours
You did a troupe talk on how dragons are so different and how it is a category, but you didn’t talk about Pokémon once!!! Like Pokémon is the definition of varying dragons.
Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester Il y a 4 jours
"eragon is probably more well known to you guys [than mccaffrey]." And I wept.
MegatronTarantulas
MegatronTarantulas Il y a 4 jours
all dragons cannot take a human(oid) form in dnd. only gold and silver.
kunik61
kunik61 Il y a 3 jours
One Black did.
Tommy Johansen
Tommy Johansen Il y a 4 jours
my Favorite Dragon: koko hekmatyer
Charlie
Charlie Il y a 4 jours
thats why i liked the dragonology books, it catigerizes then as wyvern, lindwurm, european dragon, aisian lung. but it still says theese are ALL drragons just different types
Chimera MK
Chimera MK Il y a 4 jours
"It's not a dragon, it's a wyvern!" is an annoying statement I see every now and then when a live-action show/movie adapts what the books clearly states is a DRAGON. Even a wyvern is still a dragon. Just because it's short of 2 legs doesn't make it any less a dragon.
kunik61
kunik61 Il y a 3 jours
Same. Like... Eastern Dragons are wing-less. Still dragons. (I have zero problems with that) Falcor is more like a snake-dog mix. Still a dragon. Rosa NEVER transforms into a dragon. Still a dragon. A dragon has 2 legs. IT IS NOT A DRAGON. Like the heck?
Cristopher Kingston
Cristopher Kingston Il y a 4 jours
We need to mention Fire Emblem's dragons, they are powerful benevolent god like creatures who can transform in a human form with dragon's parts but they get mad as old they get so they kill themselves to avoid hurt people or go into the madness and start killing everything that moves, so is a mix between the benevolent dragons and greedy dragons stereotypes
JayStorm
JayStorm Il y a 4 jours
I don't think Dragons are 'special' becuase it can be anything, you could say that to Demons, Yokai, Fairy, etc and yet they didn't catch on like Dragons did. But the Iconic Power and the Mighty feeling, dragons can give you. That, i think is why Dragons are so popular (Same with Gods too).
shuri
shuri Il y a 4 jours
WHY DID YOU PUT SPIDERS THERE WHY DID YOU DO THAT TO ME But yeah i love me some dragons. Fairy dragons are also cool
shuri
shuri Il y a 2 jours
@kunik61 look, I dont like spiders. I;m not """promoting""" anything by having my brain twist sideways about specific kinds of bugs. You weren't invited to this youtube comment. Just ignore it and move on bruh
kunik61
kunik61 Il y a 3 jours
STOP PROMOTE ARACHNOPHOBIA. Really: stop act like "everyone should hate spiders unless you are a mentally sick person".
Lennart
Lennart Il y a 4 jours
oh no, now I wanna see a family of draco-arachnids
BarbarianGod
BarbarianGod Il y a 4 jours
Weren't Behemoth, Ziz and Leviathan more like a bull, a gryffin and a fish/whale? Also why does everyone skip Ziz in the listing of biblical monsters :(
Dorian Zane
Dorian Zane Il y a 4 jours
There is one bit of dragon rider folklore from Transylvania that predates Dragon Riders of Pern. It's related to the legend of Scholomance, the school of black magic. The dragon riders (Solomonari) could control the weather and cause storms, which seems to be a twist on the storm god vs. dragon theme. I never made that connection until watching this video.
Huy Trần Đăng
Huy Trần Đăng Il y a 4 jours
About Dragon Riding, I believe there are precedents in Eastern Mythologies and Religions. Sheshanaga, for example, serves as a resting place for Vishnu. Bodhisattvas in Buddhism are often depicted as standing on Dragons to travel and help the people. There’s also Sanzang, who rides a Dragon (albeit in the shape of a horse). In certain East Asian countries, Crocodiles and turtles are also sometimes classified as types of dragons. While no crocodile rider comes to mind, a lot of Saint-like and deities in East Asian cultures do ride Turtles.
FUN and ART Rachel
FUN and ART Rachel Il y a 4 jours
The first five books are about “The war of seven tribes (dragon tribes )”.You’ll love it.
FUN and ART Rachel
FUN and ART Rachel Il y a 4 jours
I like to read《Wings of fire 》l’m reading book eight .“A must read for any dragon fan.”
Johanna O
Johanna O Il y a 4 jours
Thank you for not doing the "ACTUALLY, that's a wyvern, not a dragon" I'm soooo tired of that -_-
Guy from 20XX
Guy from 20XX Il y a 4 jours
Es funny cause my project has a “Dragon-Spider”
Guy from 20XX
Guy from 20XX Il y a 4 jours
Wait so when it comes to Dragons are misunderstood, what about the Tarasque?
kunik61
kunik61 Il y a 3 jours
This is not such a legend. A typical dumb dragonslaying legend.
Raptormann0205
Raptormann0205 Il y a 4 jours
I'm pretty sure that the whole Dragon taxonomy debate started because everyone bought that Dragonology book at their school's scholastic book fair and took it WAY too seriously
Joshua Woods
Joshua Woods Il y a 4 jours
The best dragon is the Dovahkiin.
MariposaGal19
MariposaGal19 Il y a 4 jours
"It's seriously everywhere, i don't know why" because.... dinosaurs! Different species of dinos were found in different regions, which is why dragons seem to have so many different characteristics (# of wings, legs, horns, etc) and most dinos are pretty big, so it's not a huge leap to 'powerful and important.' Add in human curiosity and a penchant for storytelling and you get dragons
Sofia c
Sofia c Il y a 4 jours
Dragons are awesome. Storm gods can attack dragons from a distance, prolly can float/fly and their attacks can't be melted by scorching venom/fire. Since dragons in a lot of cultures are water adjacent creatures it wouldn't make sense for a water god to slay them and since the ones that aren't water related normally can fly it wouldn't make sense either as they will just fly away, earth god's (as a trope) like all living things and you can't combat fire with fire, specially not when your opponent has thick scaly armour. They can fly so wind alone wouldn't work out either as demonstrated by birds that just happily fly to the eye of the tornado unscathed. Dragons don't work like humans so any psychology type god is out of the way, magic/knowledge gods would have trouble defeating a thousands of years old beast with a lot of wisdom and tricks of their own. Dragons are the definition of power and by sheer size of fiscal force so some super strong brute wouldn't cut it (except they are usually humans and humans like to see other humans win against the big scary). In other words the only thing bigger, scarier, angrier and that could objectively win we could think of is sky temper tantrums.
Joey A dePub
Joey A dePub Il y a 5 jours
Working theory: Dragons everywhere: dinosaur skeletons. Dragons vs. Storm Gods: dinosaur skeletons found in marshes, bogs, places that look like they've been flooded, or where a flood has removed a lot of sediment concealing dinosaur fossils.
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ᅚᅚᅚᅚ Il y a 5 jours
**furious clicking**
핑엘리
핑엘리 Il y a 5 jours
Could you... maybe do one about extraterrestrials? edit: i forgot to say please i am so sorry
CounterShift
CounterShift Il y a 5 jours
I saw you acknowledging dinosaurs in the captions, forgot to record that? lmao. Would've been good to let people know that one directly too XD
shagohad3
shagohad3 Il y a 5 jours
I'm sad the glory of Trogdor wasn't spoken of in this video.
Mr Ferris
Mr Ferris Il y a 5 jours
Dragon is not cat, cat has no loyalty and no interest in helping anyone. Dragon is odd dog!
Spencer Willits
Spencer Willits Il y a 5 jours
The motif of the Thunderbird (storm god) vs. the Mishipeshu/Unktehila/horned snake/underwater panther/sea dragon is remarkably universal throughout American Indian mythology
Dragon Turtle
Dragon Turtle Il y a 5 jours
Dragon taxonomy is still fun and interesting though. And it helps clarify what people are talking about in online nerd debates.
Tim Sparkes
Tim Sparkes Il y a 5 jours
Is, is godzilla a dragon?
Alex Jewett
Alex Jewett Il y a 5 jours
I don't really count "just a giant snake" as a dragon.
Emily Kavanagh
Emily Kavanagh Il y a 5 jours
One of the most interesting takes on dragons has to be in Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea cycle! They were definitely more on the divine and mysterious side, and I was really fascinated with her take on them and how they were ancient and wise
Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray Il y a 5 jours
I see Lucas, i click like. good stuff, thankyou.
JD Draws
JD Draws Il y a 5 jours
Red: "The audience will know to expect something powerful and important, no matter what shape it is" Me: *stares at the Horse from Journey to the West*
Don Nguyen
Don Nguyen Il y a 5 jours
Sky god vs dragon is actually an allegory of order vs chaos. A lot of cultures revere sky gods as the ones in charge of maintaining order in the universe because powers over sky which is what us humans can’t reach means ultimate status for gods. So it’s the storm gods with their power and status that are given the job of maintaining order in the cosmos and the dragon serves as a symbol of chaos and evil. The dragon in question is also usually a water or underworld serpent because most people view water and the sea as powerful but violent and unpredictable and the underworld is basically dangerous and deadly. Snakes/dragons are the monsters usually because of most venomous snakes, the violent tendencies of some snakes and the way snakes move like ripples of water. So when you have sky/storm god vs dragon it basically means opposites in conflict: order vs chaos, sky vs Earth (or water), good vs evil etc. note: the term usually used for this conflict is called chaoskampf which basically means struggle with chaos or overcoming the monster. Also check out Harry Potter chamber of secrets and you see the same struggle and trope when Harry fights the basilisk which is a big venomous snake lives in the flooded chamber and saves Ginny Weasley (his future wife)
Scherazade , Teller of Tales
In Wales we have a story about two dragons fighting, one red and one white. Aka one welsh and one english. Legend says that in the time of wales’ need, the red dragon will return and defend us from the english
soinhu foitu
soinhu foitu Il y a 5 jours
"What do Dragons eat?" "Maidens chained to rocks." "Well it'll starve here, we're on loam."
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