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The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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This isn’t just a computer bug. It’s a scandal.
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Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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Vox
Vox Il y a 6 jours
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Nikhil Kulkarni
Nikhil Kulkarni Il y a 17 heures
+Sweetteawillie Thank You for clearing the doubt!
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Il y a 18 heures
Nikhil Kulkarni The engines are mounted higher and slightly forward for ground clearance, otherwise they would have to increase the landing gear height and retracted positions. The engines have a larger diameter than the NG and previous models. It's less tedious to position the engines than it is to relocate landing gear bays and components and systems in those areas.
Nikhil Kulkarni
Nikhil Kulkarni Il y a 19 heures
Why didn't they increase the clearance from the ground with few design changes?
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Il y a 22 heures
Vox, maybe you should stay in your lane and leave the explaining to the NTSB. They are REAL investigators, not pretend journalists.
MICHGO1
MICHGO1 Il y a 22 heures
HOW ABOUT TONING DOWN THE LOUD MUSIC?
Thomas Conrow
Thomas Conrow Il y a 12 minutes
The flight before Lion Air 610 had the same problem, the crew solved it and reported it to maintenance.
nukestrom
nukestrom Il y a 24 minutes
Its an American engineering marvel, just like Chrysler that stalls its engines on freeways.
Amellia Mendel
Amellia Mendel Il y a 24 minutes
I can't wait to see the air crash investigation of this. I love those shows.
MrOrca30
MrOrca30 Il y a 52 minutes
Notice how no planes went down in the states because in America and most European countries a professional pilot knows how to disable it.....
Zeyu Wang
Zeyu Wang Il y a heure
Guys please, never fly on max ever again! No matter what software they come up. Boeing needs to learn what a horrible thing they did the hard way! They killed hundreds people. Their blood is on Boeing’s hands
Andrew Polich
Andrew Polich Il y a heure
Great visuals
Martin Moreno
Martin Moreno Il y a heure
Excellent video.
Jac
Jac Il y a heure
If you want the truth, don't go to vox
Chris Rosen
Chris Rosen Il y a heure
Wait, so how did the engine directly effect the plane from the nose being to high? How was the engine the problem?
Will Soliman
Will Soliman Il y a heure
@vox @time 2:11 It should have been March 20, 2011 ??
Xaiano
Xaiano Il y a heure
Even if the software is fixed, the design flaws remain and it still has a massively higher risk of a stall. This is not a safe plane.
Tabebe Montilla
Tabebe Montilla Il y a 2 heures
They shouldve think of safety rather than money
Chairman Meow
Chairman Meow Il y a 2 heures
This is literally out of fight club where he's explaining where if the cost of a recall is more than X (lawsuits from lost human lives) they wont do it.
MidN Music
MidN Music Il y a 2 heures
thank god that JetBlue uses Airbus
Matus Niga
Matus Niga Il y a 2 heures
I would like to see the person who came with this kind of idea to let plane overtake full control over Pilot??? And the another person who confirmed that? how is this possible?
Tijan Bah
Tijan Bah Il y a 2 heures
so if I show this to my teachers then I won't have to do MCAS ever
Horse Sense
Horse Sense Il y a 3 heures
It's only two aeroplanes.
【Natsuki Frostii】
【Natsuki Frostii】 Il y a 3 heures
MCAS? Oh! Like that test I have? Oh wait never mind...
Dan Baltizar
Dan Baltizar Il y a 3 heures
I am here to tell all that to much automation is the wrong direction, it is dangerous. The technology should stay out of vehicles for at least another 20 yrs until it is fully understood. I can’t wait for Uber to have a few big accidents. I hope they get sued to bankruptcy. All you goons that drive for Uber and Lyft need to understand you are going to be replaced by machines. That is why they have the service going everywhere possible. Tens of Millions of people are going to lose jobs due to automation in the next 10 yrs. we as a human race need to fight back at the companies pushing automation. It is time to Stan duo and fight. Humanity will disappear soon if we do not.
Dan Baltizar
Dan Baltizar Il y a 3 heures
Boeing and the FAA need to be made an example of and punished HEAVILY$$$$$. This is unacceptable, reprehensible. The CEO at Boeing should be in jail and the top execs at the FAA that approved the certification too. All fired and jailed. Anytime you start outsourcing, you have quality control issues and it only gets worse.
eric wsmith
eric wsmith Il y a 4 heures
Automated controls,.... this is not the first time a plane has crashed because of them. Why is it beyond the engineers train of thought to put one single control switch that would give pilots 100% control of the aircraft in case of some unknown system failure ? ,,,,Keep the warning systems, but let the captain disable ALL automated controls with out exception.
Charles clvr
Charles clvr Il y a 4 heures
2:53 “hottest selling plane on the market” so explain how according to your graph the neo has (around) 1700 orders in 2 years and the max has barely a 1000. Pretty sure 1700 is more than a 1000
NettiBongo
NettiBongo Il y a 4 heures
onething i dont understand about airplane companies. they dont understand if it isnt broken dont fix it.. they have alot of good planes but they keep making new design planes and testing with the passengers. cant they just produce more working planes. arh.
DaikiTV
DaikiTV Il y a 4 heures
I Hope boeing pays the price for being to lazy to redesign the plane. Just redesign the Aircraft if the engines wont fit! Just such an bullcrap. Over 300 People died because they didnt want to redesign the Aircraft?!?
Gene Simmons
Gene Simmons Il y a 4 heures
I still believe these planes were electronically hijacked....
pepper669
pepper669 Il y a 5 heures
Good video, Ira Glass style.
vasco ambrogi
vasco ambrogi Il y a 5 heures
Those videos are similar to propaganda. It takes two switches to désengage MCAS. Please, an accident is a chain of events and putting the blame just on Boeing is simply stupid. As appealing the target can be, with all the greedy and nasty reasons you might want to satisfice on, this doesn’t help people understanding and pointing to the reality of the issue. The whole industry, including relative national regulators have to rethink their ways. Every 737 MAX is the same, but not every country, not every airline, not every pilot, and not every day, a faulty sensor is the cause. Then, Pilots training, Automation and Minimum safety standards are all to be reviewed in the wake of those catastrophe. Boeing has a culture to keep Pilots in direct control of the plane, all is in place to cut out electrical systems fast and effectively if needed. If you want to understand the economics behind, it’s to easy to blame the constructor, they are not the only one making money. But, surely, they are the ones that can sustain a hit. Une pensée aux victimes.
Levi Ackerman
Levi Ackerman Il y a 5 heures
Boeing a320 is better than 737-800 Change my mind
Skrub Nation
Skrub Nation Il y a 5 heures
Capitalism us to blame for Boeing's actions
Jesse Bogdonoff
Jesse Bogdonoff Il y a 6 heures
Capitalism at it's finest!
GLR
GLR Il y a 6 heures
Well done America... leading the way in $$ hunger
Shaderite Matobit
Shaderite Matobit Il y a 6 heures
Conclusion: Boeing, please Stop playing childish games.
Chris Cain
Chris Cain Il y a 6 heures
Yanks rename things because they don’t know how to pronounce the letters in the English language ...the can’t even pronounce aluminium....alll you min eeee umm you fools! Lol
bratwurstmaxxe haxxe
bratwurstmaxxe haxxe Il y a 6 heures
Hard- and Software-Cheats.... every Idiot is a Pilot, when they falling out Playnes fall down.
Kimberly Williams
Kimberly Williams Il y a 6 heures
THIS VIDEO IS PUBLISHED BY AN AIRBUS FANBOY OR JUST AIRBUS ITSELF. AIRBUS SUCKS AND THEIR BEING VINDICTIVE BECAUSE THE AIRBUS A380 IS GOING DOWN THE TUBES.
Jesus is Muslim
Jesus is Muslim Il y a 6 heures
Outsourcing destroys, and never saves, companies. Dell, Gateway, and HP lost money when outsourced. Boeing outsourcing will kill Boeing.
lap tech
lap tech Il y a 6 heures
The thing is, the MCAS system worked BUT the scenario of what would happen if a specific sensor was to go faulty was never tested, by the plane developers or by flight sim tests. Also, what to do in a situation when a sensor does go faulty was exposed by a previous flight of the doomed Ethiopian plane. It was reported by the flights previous flight crew that a sensor failed and MCAS kicked in but this time in the cockpit, was an off duty pilot who knew what to do and got the pilot to turn off MCAS (can be done but not easy unless you've read ALL the training material). Unfortunately this off duty pilot never reported the incident to the next flight crew. This is fact and is in the investigation report. The question then becomes, how come this off duty pilot knew how to disable MCAS but the next flight crew didn't. Training is surely at fault here. What needs to be investigated is how many pilots of this airplane had the exact same problem but was able to deal with it because they knew how to disable MCAS? Two sets of pilots from different airlines did not know how to disable it and it cost everyone their lives. Boeing has improved MCAS to make it easier for it to be disabled and allow pilots to control the plane. Training manuals have also been improved. a 2nd sensor is installed as standard now instead of just one BUT it still comes down to that one off duty pilots statement to the investigating team. He was able to talk through the process of how to disable MCAS to the previous flight crew. So was it just a case of bad pilot training? the flight crew did not bother to check out the new training material because they thought the plane was still identical to the previous 737.
William Aditama
William Aditama Il y a 6 heures
Kacau...
Tim S
Tim S Il y a 7 heures
Should have guessed, greed. That was the bottom line!
737tech
737tech Il y a 7 heures
I think there is more to the story. A deeper cultural problem. Just watched a video about some whistle blowers that were fired.
Metonymy1979
Metonymy1979 Il y a 7 heures
Money means more than humans.
Abdulrahman Baghdadi
Abdulrahman Baghdadi Il y a 7 heures
apart from the great content and the issue behind it .. those sketches are very unique!
David Jesús Granadillo di Gravia
We should also consider that Boeing has always had these issues... let's not forget that the 787 Dreamliner was built on cheaper material, just to compete. They deserve bankruptcy honestly, every decision taken is always supporting the idea of saving money, instead of reassuring safety.
David Coro
David Coro Il y a 7 heures
Shocking Boeing.
Miihkali 78
Miihkali 78 Il y a 8 heures
Not going to fly with this model.Ever.I’ll cancel my tickets if I have to.
Sammy Looney
Sammy Looney Il y a 8 heures
The real reason airplanes crash...Gravity.
Peka Bhoo
Peka Bhoo Il y a 8 heures
Corporate scum did this.
Ramses Farias
Ramses Farias Il y a 8 heures
And of course, no one was arrested for this.
J Lew
J Lew Il y a 8 heures
How many employees of Vox have NTSB incident investigator certification? Not one single referenced source is evident in this video. Even if this were a 7th grade essay or report assignment in an inner city public junior high school.....this video would likely have a red "F" on it's cover page because even the kindest most forgiving school teacher wants to KNOW what the author's sources are. Vox......like most current so called on-line purveyors of opinion that's being masqueraded as actual news.....Vox seems to have a bad habit of failing to cite sources.
Tarzan jodeajane
Tarzan jodeajane Il y a 9 heures
Sad reality, lots of PPL died from a risky long planned Airplane design. Hope Airbus learn from this and keeps on the good work.
Mc4wiwy y
Mc4wiwy y Il y a 9 heures
They lied to get 360 people killed in less than 365 days
Clay Kemper
Clay Kemper Il y a 9 heures
I dare a Boeing spokesperson to come on this site and explain:. 1. Corrective measures and time frame; 2. Compensation for families.
Phad Trader
Phad Trader Il y a 9 heures
The airplane flew, in essence, without incident for 17 months prior to these crashes. It has nothing to do with greed but considering the source that slant isn't surprising. The airplane isn't perfect and won't be after the 'fixes' are put in place. It's not a scandal, it's not a matter of rushing to make the quick dollars. It's a problem, a potentially serious problem that had devastating consequences. It's nothing new in aircraft development.
Grant Bruner
Grant Bruner Il y a 9 heures
The should be a direct hanging for those engineers and CEO’s that rushed this into service. Greed overtook their brain capacity, which was not much to begin with.
H Healey
H Healey Il y a 9 heures
If they spent billions on a new jet design instead, I bet they'd still be in profit. If you're making profit the company is doing well because trying to save money on an already money making company is pure greed and disgraceful
Younis Qureshi
Younis Qureshi Il y a 10 heures
is there something in Boeing's contract with Indonesian and Ethopian airlines that they can't take legal action against Boeing? If the crash planes were a US or European operators', would the circumstances after the 2 crashes be the same? Boeing should be held accountable for this in the international court of law and 2 airlines and governments should initiate the legal actions
Gary Cavanagh
Gary Cavanagh Il y a 10 heures
After watching this I think about the 346 lost souls on both flights R I P
jelson95
jelson95 Il y a 10 heures
The real reason for the crash was greed.
MrMiamiswaggz305
MrMiamiswaggz305 Il y a 11 heures
Whose going to jail? Never a rich executive.
deretreivels44
deretreivels44 Il y a 11 heures
pilot error due to not understandnig the trim update. Its not politically correct to tell the truth anymore because of where it happened, but thats the truth. This video just proves the guy knows nothing about the situation.
SL first
SL first Il y a 11 heures
Evil business practises took 346 life. boeing should take full responsibility for each life cause by them
Hans Heini
Hans Heini Il y a 11 heures
If Boeing has a free ticket at the FAA and Airbus needs to implement all safety measures, because they don't get free tickets at their aviation authority, this is a pretty unfair economic competition.
Ken
Ken Il y a 11 heures
Wait, the plane crashed into the Java sea? The code was just trying to get back home. Its natural instincts.
Hans Heini
Hans Heini Il y a 12 heures
In the first university courses about electrical engineering and software development i learned that in aviation you need very, very robust systems capable of deciding from redundant inputs which one to deem valid. Even that the software systems themselves should be redundant and a final gate needs to decide which output from the system is valid, i.e. 2 out of 3. The aviation software architect, developers and everyone who knew about these violations of basic aviation safety procedures, an automatic trimming system relying on only one sensor, where the system as well is not redundant(!!!), belong TO JAIL!!!! Why? Because they are a proofen danger to the public. Sorry, for this, there's no "They ordered me to do it", as an excuse.
Hans Heini
Hans Heini Il y a 6 heures
+Chris H damn right, it takes a series of people with more greed than respect for life to get such a system done. I could even imagine the big boss had no idea and some other management level with complicit employees decided on the system. All in order to get a promotion for their ingenious savings idea...
Chris H
Chris H Il y a 11 heures
I agree, you shouldn't only look at the top. A lot of people must have known about this!
Chris H
Chris H Il y a 11 heures
Someone in the thread wrote, he heard, Boeing outsourced their IT to India. Maybe they recruited people who never heard about aviation software development. Then you should also put Boeings HR in a dark, dark prisonhole.
sanjuansteve
sanjuansteve Il y a 12 heures
The world has lost their minds to capitalist GREED (fear)!
OFFICIAL.moriigon
OFFICIAL.moriigon Il y a 12 heures
That's bullshit that they have such a software like that. Because of competition PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES!!!!! I couldnt imagine if that happened to someone I love or if it happened to me and my family had to deal with that heart break. I dont trust those planes no matter what, I dont care if theres a software update. I'm not risking my life nor the people I love lives. Either fix the plane to fit the engine UNDER the wing or say goodbye to your customers. I ain't trusting no scrap metal.
hyou zan ren
hyou zan ren Il y a 12 heures
Greedy bastard! They risk our live just so their CEO can get more bonus by selling defect planes!
Lilac Lizard
Lilac Lizard Il y a 12 heures
Same thing happened with MH370. There was a known fault in the emergency oxygen supply for the pilot/co-pilot that caused a cockpit fire & hull-breach at Cairo airport in the same model plane, but Boeing decided it was too expensive to bring all planes in to insulate the anti-kink wiring that was causing the emergency oxygen to explode. Any pilots that spoke out about that & let people know that it would explain exactly what happened on MH370 on the most respected & well known internet pilot forums (that boeing had bought out a few years earlier) were simply deleted & banned. Shocking they can get away with stuff like this! Thanks for blowing the whistle on this one & letting us all know the truth Vox!
Parlons Y-stoire
Parlons Y-stoire Il y a 13 heures
Very good video. Congratulations! The final photos are very hard to look at.
leapingblackcat
leapingblackcat Il y a 13 heures
That is the result of limited liability (ltd, plc, llp) company status and politicians not allowing large businesses to fail because of bad/criminal management. Both features of our none-free marking system. This means owners of large businesses (including shareholders) do not have to take responsibility for their decisions. Expect more of same until limited liability is removed.
leapingblackcat
leapingblackcat Il y a 13 heures
Dishonesty. Whatever happened to 'my work is my bond'.
weber247
weber247 Il y a 13 heures
thought I heard they didnt want to pay for the updated sensors, others that did never had this problem...
LazySpacenoid
LazySpacenoid Il y a 13 heures
Airplane makers should change its business model from selling planes to renting planes worldwide.
Shawn McKee
Shawn McKee Il y a 14 heures
I think this is a very poor piece of reporting drawing conclusions as to why an accident occurred as a result of company policy. This is a very selectively chosen hypothesis from a very complex set of circumstances that ignores other factors in these crashes in an ignorant and insulting fashion. Dramatic panning photos and mood music do not resolve the truth in accident investigation. I'm disappointed in this video.
Nini Zeldav
Nini Zeldav Il y a 14 heures
It's always about the money....
Noah Campbell
Noah Campbell Il y a 14 heures
Don’t worry, exec bonus’s will still get handed out.
Miftah Zidan
Miftah Zidan Il y a 14 heures
Thanks for clearing this up.🇮🇩
Azrul Ahloi
Azrul Ahloi Il y a 14 heures
Both Mas mh17 and mh370 is Boeing, duhhh.My country should just accept Airbus.
Lilac Lizard
Lilac Lizard Il y a 12 heures
yeh & mh370 was the same story, known fault that had previously caused the pilot/co-pilot's emergency oxygen supply to explode & rip a hole in the hull, but boeing didn't want to foot the bill fixing, so they just pretended that didn't exist on the rest of the effected planes despite that explosion & hull breach in Cairo a year before mh370 happened
Dolphin
Dolphin Il y a 14 heures
btw the plane had 2 mcas/AoA sensors but it the software only took input from one sensor. FAA likely looked at 2 sensors and went yeah ok that's good in case 1 fails without realizing the software only reads 1 sensor ignoring the other, the new software update will use both sensors (plus the black box recorded both sensors but the software took input from 1, its likely other planes had an MCAS sensor fail but it took input from **only** the other sensor, basically a 50/50 chance of living if a sensor fails before the crashes.)
rubberchicken8088
rubberchicken8088 Il y a 14 heures
I see the Boeing PR shills are back in full force.
Adam Pine
Adam Pine Il y a 14 heures
As a software engineer... It saddens me that the company rushed the production of that software.
rubberchicken8088
rubberchicken8088 Il y a 14 heures
Adam Pine Worse than that the physical design may have been rushed. MCAS software is just there to compensate for the aerodynamics issue.
Delta 001
Delta 001 Il y a 14 heures
Told you Lion Air is bad at landinh
jacksonmar marina
jacksonmar marina Il y a 15 heures
very well video. Superb editing and scripting . Professional , smooth graphic and well narrated. Good music choice and mix. A little bit more modernish music will be better. well done
Seleucus
Seleucus Il y a 15 heures
good job america
RogerPierre
RogerPierre Il y a 15 heures
The simple answer is to buy Airbus jets!
Mariban
Mariban Il y a 12 heures
That would be easy. But the A320neo is sold out for years and Airbus cannot increase production any further. Unfortunately, Boeing will soon bring this ancient aircraft model back into the air and the airlines will buy it.
Myron Tedrow
Myron Tedrow Il y a 15 heures
I recognize that Vox is a partisan “news” organization. But they stated, and then totally ignored the most important fact: it happened to American crews and it was a non-event.. how many fatalities do we have in the US each year? Approximately zero on average. Dozens per year were killed in Indonesia every year in planes that had noncontroversial systems. Same goes for Ethiopia. Please Vox, stop demonizing big business Boeing for things you do not understand. The beginning of the video was well researched, but drawing your own ignorant conclusions before the investigations are finished and presenting them as facts is dishonest and damaging to the industry.
rubberchicken8088
rubberchicken8088 Il y a 15 heures
Myron Tedrow It wasn’t a “non-event”. American crews reported the problem several times. We just got lucky. Not a training, cultural or software issue; it’s a fundamental design problem.
Kawika Jones
Kawika Jones Il y a 15 heures
Lot's of misinformation on this video! How about placing the blame where it belongs. The MCAS sensor's were not maintained IAW requirement. How about lack of training before flying this plane.
rubberchicken8088
rubberchicken8088 Il y a 15 heures
Kawika Jones Do you want to fly in a plane where one broken sensor followed by a missed switch causes everyone onboard to die?
Bujang Ganteng
Bujang Ganteng Il y a 15 heures
The MCAS was probably programmed by "code artisans".
Martin
Martin Il y a 15 heures
Thanks for this summary. Great video. This is a perfect example of corporate companies gambling with human lives without sufficient consequences.. this is unexaptable.
Bobby Collins
Bobby Collins Il y a 16 heures
they were 'operating the same plane'? NO, They were operating the same 'kind' of plane!
Steve
Steve Il y a 16 heures
It was bad enough that the first plane crashed due to Boeing's rush to build this plane. The fact that they allowed a second plane to crash before taking this seriously, is totally unacceptable and inexcusable!
Harmeet Gill
Harmeet Gill Il y a 16 heures
Their planes should be shut down... So many people had to pay for their mistakes...
what a shambles
what a shambles Il y a 16 heures
Sad ☹️
Plebs100
Plebs100 Il y a 17 heures
How VW paid for the software was ok. What now will Boeing also pay? Jokes
hello 789
hello 789 Il y a 17 heures
Don't think a plane could crash twice
Richard M
Richard M Il y a 17 heures
This makes the situation all the more tragic, poor souls. That being said, very informative video thank you.
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Shotby Zy Il y a 17 heures
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فوق الله
فوق الله Il y a 17 heures
they will accuse Bin Laden
Manu Das
Manu Das Il y a 17 heures
What about the lives and dreams shattered. How are they going to explain that😡
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